Ok, you can go to Hazard Fraught and buy a big winch for $390 with a coupon but will it last? How long to get it hot and you let the smoke out of the motor or relays? Can you get parts? (BWAHAHAHA!) What happens if it goes under water doing some fording? I've had the chinese winches, from small ATV types to big truck types and eventually they all let me down when I least needed failure of a tool. Either from hard use or not enough use, they failed. Instead, save up your money or lean on your significant other and buy a real winch made to last with parts and support, life is too short to be standing knee-deep in mud with a dead chinese winch...